I wouldn't know. I haven't read the comments to know whose is whose. It's pointless. I'm not gonna change my mind cuz somebody disagrees with me, and I would never expect anybody to change theirs for me. It's good that you all stuck to your guns.
Neither side is ever going to agree with the other. Beliefs are beliefs. The real trick here, if it must be discussed, is to try to see the other side's reasons for their beliefs. It can be interesting. Otherwise, this isn't going to get anywhere.